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T-online Abuse Issues

Posted by Crillo on Saturday 17 May 2003

Due to many general abuse issues (directed towards QuakeNet's staff, users and the network itself) from a significant number of users, we have had to take the unprecedented step of restricting all t-dialin users to one connection per host on the network. Any users attempting to make more than one connection to the network will receive an error message (Too many connections from your host) and have their connection refused.

And yes, we acknowledge that this may cause problems for users who share connections and/or host their own bots etc., but this was the only alternative to a global t-dialin ban. We apologise to the many genuine t-dialin users affected by this action, and hope that this will help with the abuse issues affecting the network and its users.

Update: Due to feedback from users, we have decided to increase the limit to 2 connections per host for t-dialin users. We hope this will alleviate some of the problems experienced by families who use QuakeNet.

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first one. yes strike !!! :)

]yackz^mith[ said on Saturday 17 May 2003

Wehehe, back to 1 plskthx :)

GodDaBuzz said on Saturday 17 May 2003

Shall be enough for the 08/15 user. Thanks to Quakenet :)

[dkZ-SoF]Paeppi said on Saturday 17 May 2003

big thx ...

sebast said on Saturday 17 May 2003

thx qnet... i (have) had the \"family problem\", too :) but /mode +x also helped ;) these 2 connections should be enough for t-dialin-users, since there are many stupid kiddies using t-online (yes, i use (better: am forced to) use that isp myself)

mariohana said on Saturday 17 May 2003

// these 2 connections should be enough for t-dialin-users, since there are many stupid kiddies using t-online (yes, i use (better: am forced to) use that isp myself) // eeehrm.. that doesn\'t mean i\'ve ever done any shitty things ;D

mariohana said on Saturday 17 May 2003

Actually it\'s absurd and embarrassing not to have a really reasonable idea of solving such problems. Furthermore I don\'t think this will really be the great solution you may believe it is, but do it your way :P

Shane0Mac said on Saturday 17 May 2003

This is a great solution for getting rid of all the clones from t-dialin users, nothing more, nothing less.

Crillo said on Saturday 17 May 2003

n1 solution quakenet!

Glady said on Saturday 17 May 2003

Tack =). Tyskarna brukar ofta bråka på QuakeNet. Speciellt T-online användare. Same in English =). Germans would often \"fight\" with QuakeNet. Especially T-online users. =)

SolidSneaker_ said on Saturday 17 May 2003

good solution, thx ² quakenet..

Agimar said on Saturday 17 May 2003

Thanks. That does (precisly \"will do\", because I\'ll have to use t-dialin in about 2 months) the trick for me and approx 95% of the others. gg qnet :)

ki|oNyx said on Saturday 17 May 2003

Sorry. But i don´t think it is a good solution to (nearly) ban all t-dialin users. Not all T-Online Users are stupid clone/script/hack kiddies. I´m Sorry but Quakenet has an user lost.

tIbErI4NmaStEr said on Saturday 17 May 2003

I love QuakeNet

ZerA2l said on Saturday 17 May 2003

Thx for that decision, i appreciate that. And F..k you all abusing T-Online....

rats|Betschman said on Saturday 17 May 2003

I don\'t think that isn\'t a good solution. I\'m using the Quakent since Years and i\'m T-online User and I\'M NOT a spamming kiddi! I can only use 2 connections and that\'s not ok - ban that guy which are doing this things and NOT the \"normal\" users

Firestorm^ said on Saturday 17 May 2003

Dear #17: If we actually COULD ban those individual idiots, we wouldn\'t have come to this decision. We have already rised the limit from one to two, so be happy with it or leave. Thanks.

Shadow said on Saturday 17 May 2003

By rising the limit to 2 Quakenet showed that they care about their users and it\'s possible to discuss reasonable with the staff despite the opinion of some people who don\'t think so.

Tankred said on Saturday 17 May 2003

Well done. Sometimes it was useful to have more than 2 connections, but it was never necessary imho. Thanks for increasing to 2 connections :o)

Gumminase said on Saturday 17 May 2003

2 connections? ...better solution! now i can use my entertain bot again, cos my own isp is t-dialin... wondering who are these \"kiddies\" and what they do! cos most kiddies use \"crash\'n go\" systems like windows98 or XP... (i remember a spam script for mIRC/GamersIRC) well, i don\'t know what i should do badly with my KSirc from KDE3.1.1 running on BSD and Linux ;)

EyeDacor said on Saturday 17 May 2003

thx ² qnet ! 2 connections should be enough to block clones. thx again

binky said on Saturday 17 May 2003

I think it\'s a perfectly reasonable decision really. I don\'t see why many people would have a real *legitimate* reason to bring on more than two hosts anyway. If you do, then yes, it\'s just tough luck. Throughout life the minority have affected the majority - this is better than them glining the entire ISP atleast. People also seem to forget this will save many people from having their channels flooded and being abused, for the sake of a few t-online customers who want to connect 3+ hosts. GJ

Mentality said on Saturday 17 May 2003

Once again Quakenet demonstrates their dedication to making this the best IRC-network. They chose to disregard the excessive amount of accusations of racism/nazism by clueless t-dialin users and instead chose to listen to those who could make a good case for increasing the limit.

Bomkia said on Saturday 17 May 2003

I think two connections are seriously enough for all users...I am a t-dialin user but I don\'t care cuz I never broke any Q-Net rule an it\'s not my fault. The whining CS kiddies just should shut up about that, it\'s the QUAKEnet and not ANY-GAMEnet. so far cAyne

r3ds70r said on Saturday 17 May 2003

Even if 2 hosts really should be enough for every T-Online User, i started a little petition to t-online, so that a better solution could be found together with T-Online. If you wanna help me, then sign up on it on: http://petition.myexo.de/ (Perhaps we can discuss the name of the petition, but i did it within 30mins only *gg*) I hope the opers won\'t deny this post because of advertising, thank you all. For improvements, just mail to the mail adress on the page. silly

silly^ said on Saturday 17 May 2003

This solution is better in my opinion as families with 2 PCs can\'t complain anymore for example.

Jack-The-Ripper said on Saturday 17 May 2003

thanks ² quakenet, i find this is a good solution! cu Seth

TOF|Sethesh said on Saturday 17 May 2003

Thx a lot @ quakenet team.

Tel said on Saturday 17 May 2003

You should set the Limit to 2 on each untrusted Host. Dont forget, that the most Users in the Quakenet have a T-Online Host. Logicaly, more Spammers come from Germany.

johbar said on Saturday 17 May 2003

Setting the limit to 2 for everyone except trusted hosts isn\'t possible at the moment. Right now 25000 of 166000 hosts are t-dialin hosts, that\'s not most users..

Crillo said on Saturday 17 May 2003

Nice work those script kiddies are blocked and normal user (like me) didn\'t een notice ;) (altho you should think of a system to do a g-line if someone gets killed from S for spamming or something similar)

TDK|Terminator said on Saturday 17 May 2003

#32, S does g-line for repeated spamming. The kills are a kind of warning until it finally g-lines the abusive user.

Jack-The-Ripper said on Saturday 17 May 2003

good decision guys :) big thanx for that! you\'re doing a great job dudes - go on like this. cya

Bingoo said on Saturday 17 May 2003

Better kill those BNCs. They\'r absolutly sensless, causing traffic/connections. And its really stupid to join a channel with 300nicks in it and 299BNCs and one Q.

Ruapho said on Sunday 18 May 2003

I welcome your decission that you heard to the voice of the common users (like me and many others) and rose the connection limit to 2 - for some people this probably still isn\'t enough but I can live with this (now my brother or a friend with notebook can also connect, if theres a need) and so are probably many other users, who had the need for a second client.

jmeister|TMG said on Sunday 18 May 2003

There are already exploits/bugs out for this... They allow users to use different authnicks and \"clone\" themeselves via +x usermode. E.g.: One connects and sets +x, the next one connects from same host with a different authnick and sets +x and so on. I don\'t know if this is working any more, but yesterday (sat) it worked for me and allowed me to set up 3 connections from the same t-dialin host using two different auth nicks (and one conn not authed). Don\'t fix it, it\'s the last way out ;)

HatchetS said on Sunday 18 May 2003

(cont.) ... the last way out ;)

HatchetS said on Sunday 18 May 2003

\"Proffessional IRC-warriors\" probably don\'t use t-dialin hosts - they have a lot of infected boxes all over the world of which they can load up thousands of clones or simply DDoS a server (i\'m used to that from IRCnet) - the common t-dialin idiots which annoy opers like shadow ;) simply is typing bullshit and maybe joining with 3 or 4 clones in #feds

jmeister|TMG said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Limiting is a solution, BUT what You do here is wrong. YOu say that all T-Online users are bad kiddies. T-Online is the most popular 24h online solution here in germany, so it\'s clear that from those hosts are many kiddies. So I think limit ALL users to the same, not saying Oh using popularst net provider-->EVIL!). That\'s one reason more, to get out of the Quakenet. You\'ve to think about it, limiting T-Online for germany is like limiting more than half of USA users

[MDK]Bernie said on Sunday 18 May 2003

@40: no one said that... not even shadow ;)) they just limited all users of this ISP. and that is why it´s only fair to say that the second decision - loosen the limit - is nice (and kinda fast!), as it solves the problems for maybe 95%, feds is working too... that way, one can concentrate on the abuses again.. even when talking to t-onliners ;))) so this time really GG qnet! (and @ shadow: that finnish thing was a joke, a quote from a song... ;)

hw|stadl0r said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Tell me what provider you are using and I tell you what kind of lamer you are. I don\'t think judgeing someone by his provider is not O.K. (altough the limit was increased to 2 now.) You can say: T-Online is lame (thats right) but you just can\'t say that EVERY T-Online user is a lamer. I know, my words have been said like 450 times already but I had to say something too ^^

]EFW[5n41p3r said on Sunday 18 May 2003

I can\'t remember using words \"the common t-dialin idiots\", but I\'m very sorry if someone got me all wrong. I don\'t hate all t-dialin users, only the ones who break the rules and do other lame things. I actually have even few friends using t-dialin.net host. /me over and out.

Shadow said on Sunday 18 May 2003

One connection would have been fine... Now people will want 3 connections because they have 2 brothers and so on... This problem should be solved with t-online\'s help, there\'s no other way... Anyway, good decicion overall QuakeNet ;)

cLAN|Tristam said on Sunday 18 May 2003

#44: So true.. and if we start rising it, people will whine about them being special and they end up having over 10 clones per user. =)

Shadow said on Sunday 18 May 2003

I think the QuakeNet Oper\'s did the right thing. Who needs more than 2 connections? Yes and I\'m glad about that the Opers did not G-Lined whole t-ialin.net such as other networks already did due massive abusing.

Der_Haus said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Shadow, so true too ;) Doesnt t-online want to do anything about their abusing lamer users? In my opinion there is no other way to solve this problem... Lamer\'s connections should be cutted, forever... ;) Why cant I get S when I have Q?

cLAN|Tristam said on Sunday 18 May 2003

ROFL! t-online users = lamers damn how stupid... anyway, thanks qnet. now i can pay for some bncs. big thanks....

m1cky said on Sunday 18 May 2003

first step in the right direction. next step is now to limit all connections to two.

lou said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Ok, now this will help most people- if you have more than one brother you need a second connection anyway (File-Sharing-the legal stuff of course, gaming, downloading...)- and if all three work it should be easy to affort a second line ;) Anyway- big THX to q.net, raising the limit and listening to us. Not many people out there that do this kind of stuff :) And to all of you T.com script-kiddies: Scan my network and die...

DGH[Tigris] said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Hm i got further the problem that its unpossible for my bot to conect to quakenet by using a own written script. With normel IRC it works :(

Nocturn21 said on Sunday 18 May 2003

hmm.....this is a bit unfair I think. For me, it\'ll be difficult having a whole family plus a clan-newsbot on my t-online line . Quakenet degenerates methinks. First the Q bot is denied to new clans, while the old ones may use them, now the T-dialin segregation. This is not nice.

pkxl2 said on Sunday 18 May 2003

I thought max connections was 6 from one host. This accomodates most LANs. (We have 5 pc\'s connected at 1 time or another to qnet, big house) Is this not the case? Surely 6 connections is as easy to deal with as 2? Or have I grasped the wrong end of the stick :)

[SBK]PhoeniX said on Sunday 18 May 2003

²lou : yes, right :)

netzi said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Especially to all users writing they will leave now QuakeNET. I don\'t believe you. Your words are ONLY words - no actions. And of course don\'t complain about this now. You have seen QuakeNET has reacted to the last feedback - here in forum as well as in irc - and rised up the limit.

netzi said on Sunday 18 May 2003

And ALL what you do is whining here. I think most of the most-whining people here had done something to cause the first reaction of the QuakeNET staff. The other reaction that was discussed about wouldn\'t make you happier - believe me.

netzi said on Sunday 18 May 2003

s/raised up/increased

netzi said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Well what the fuck are you guys moaning about anyway? Five connections is a freaking lot already. \"Oh god I have a brother and ...\", lol. Rules are made to be set, not to be altered. Fucking whinge about one connection, oh my god... you can\'t get any farther out, can you? If you don\'t like the rules being set, sod off to IRCnet.

raz2 said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Hey admins how about limiting every connection to 2 clients ? i wanna see the faces of the guys who said \"2 should be enough\"

sads said on Sunday 18 May 2003

\"omg i have 4 brothers\" <-- i can see this one coming :)

morfee said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Tack =). Tyskarna brukar ofta bråka på QuakeNet. Speciellt T-online användare. Same in English =). Germans would often \"fight\" with QuakeNet. Especially T-online users. =) <- ukka ukki. Same in English =). fuck you

sads said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Heya all:-) I can live with your protection, but i wanna know, why all t-dialin users are banned from the #feds channel? That\'s nice support for normal german users...

GI|Jack|mIRC said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Hi, I got no problem with your decission, cause it helps to get rid of those spam kids, but you can\'t say that spam and all these things are a only t-dialin phenomenon. Btw I as a normal q-net user need #fed, because the livebot from our gameserver is g-lined, and we got to find a solution for that. I think it\'s not fair simply setting +b to all t-dialins who want to enter #feds. Think about it, you can\'t judge people by their internet connection! So far... bye

Ripper|mIRC said on Sunday 18 May 2003

this is so stupid! maybe you have noticed that the majority of german users have t-dailin due to the market situation?! seems very unappropriate and unprofessional!

[fAkk]CaO said on Sunday 18 May 2003

I was very angry about it. But to rise up the limit was a good decision and i can live with that! But \"overtaker\" use proxys or bncs. It won\'t reduce overtakes! I like this network !

Ic3^away said on Sunday 18 May 2003

This is definately a step in the right direction and this will certainly help alot of channels who has problems of this sort. Even though alot of users are affected by this. We have to keep in mind that these lamers who where abusing will have a pretty tough time if they feel like keep going and eventually they\'ll stop. Atleast I hope so. btw. reverse.qdsl-home.de is also a quite known abuse host.

Steinland said on Sunday 18 May 2003

do you know y t-dialin is now banned from feds? it\'s YOU - the people in here whining about the situation. feds is secured due to a normal helping situation for the other users. If the opers wouldn\'t see such a reaction of you in here, i think they wouldn\'t have banned this hostmask from feds.

netzi said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Yes, you´re right. Nothing will decrease this. This makes me very angry and won´t stop anything. Yes, the lame bitches can´t make their clones any longer. But every new blockade will be broken. I´ve tested it and I am currently able to open 5 clones with a Tonline host and a little trick. Btw. this IS a kind of racism! Because you can´t say that every Tonline user is something what you call a \"lamer\". Greetings.

[[][]] said on Sunday 18 May 2003

No, but as it is OK for channel-owners/ops to ban *!*.dip.t-dialin.net / *!*@*.de (as in #linux) it\'s also ok to globally ban this.

netzi said on Sunday 18 May 2003

to #68 if the qnet staff hadnt limited only t-online users to 2 connections they wouldnt need to do so. I\'ve been using quakenet for 2 years now and really thought of it being a good service in the world of irc networks. Do you really think this action is a proper answer to some spamkiddies?? I am a normal user and just wanted to visit feds. But as i am a german (t-online is the only choice for power users in rural areas in germany) i am banned from that channel??? Sry that is ridiculous.

[FCBD]R2D2 said on Sunday 18 May 2003

great idea! first step in the right direction. next step is now to limit all connections to two. (lou) sounds very nice =)

chRiz said on Sunday 18 May 2003

if they hadn\'t limited to 2 connections they WOULD have glined them. And of course i had a talk to some people - they all tought me that most of flooders are connecting from t-dialin. ( of course my personal connection is t-dialin, too.) but my client resides on a server

netzi said on Sunday 18 May 2003

im actually wondering about the haressment of t-online users. i just CANT imagine that there is such a great number of t-dialin users who are spammkiddies (dont know what this actually can damage quakenet) that IT IS a option to react this way. I am not using a BNC and i dont think about getting one. Why should i change my ISP only to visit feds? Have i done something wrong?

[FCBD]R2D2 said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Christ, they still whinge. Grow up you lot.

Kryten said on Sunday 18 May 2003

To #69. This situation deals with an ISP who has a poor abuse-handling system, dedicated IRCops who want to make Quakenet the best network available and a small group of people that could not be stopped by regular measures. The situation is already inflamed enough without you making bogus cries of racism. Racism is a big problem in todays society, but to limit the amount of clients from a specific ISP doesn\'t come anywhere close to it.

Bomkia said on Sunday 18 May 2003

2 connections, sounds a lot better now. thx for the change

^i^ said on Sunday 18 May 2003

grow the fuck up and stop bitching already. I banned *@*.t-dialin.net from #feds because of a user pasting URL\'s to trojans in the channel. I couldn\'t ban him per ident and/or host since he kept redialing and changing it. it\'s not because of rascism or some shit like that. please enable brain and find out what rascism is before you start bitching. this is NOT. yawn.

stevoo said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Well it doesn\'t mind how many connections a t-dialin user might have, the problem is, you can\'t punish them. The only way is to get T-Online to assign a Unique ID to each user, which you can ban, gline, whatever. Thatswhy i have started a little petition, i hope many people will sign it up. Please help me: http://petition.myexo.de/ thx guys, silly

silly^ said on Sunday 18 May 2003

I dont think this is a good idea because the t-online users are not the onlq problem we have some bitsches frum uk and so on who spamm all the time and now you did not make anything again this bitsches yeah make something to the telekomusers they are all scriptkiddies quaknet sucks really you see it @ the netsplits every sunday @ the same time

Amduser said on Sunday 18 May 2003

This reminds me of when deviantart.com decided to ban all aol hosts from creating new accounts. They couldn\'t ban single IP\'s cos it\'s too easy to get a different IP. And since AOL is fairly cheap and easy for people to get, it became a weapon of choice for abusers. The same stands for T-Online I think. It\'s cheap and easy and provides anonimity so many abusers use it. Makes sense to use this preventative measure, and mebbe when abuse calms down Qnet\'ll lift the limit again?

[SBK]PhoeniX said on Sunday 18 May 2003

@#78 is that the only reason why you banned another 25.000 users from that channel?? Am i responsible for those guys going into #feds and pasting some crap urls no one will ever visit? So u ban every ISP with 1 user pasting some urls u dont want to have pasted in ur channel? I need some help from #feds and where do i get it now? i dont get it because i am a t-online user, right? So tell me, u think this is not racism?

[FCBD]R2D2 said on Sunday 18 May 2003

You can\'t give every user a unique ip, or should i as a t-dialin user wait to get hacked or sth? Think about it! And the ban from #feds is not racism but it\'s an unfair exclusion, but you semm to be very happy to have the t-dialin users to point the finger at. There are so many people doing the same from other regions, but you don\'t semm to care about that. Most important thing is to ban the t-dialin lamers, well done really...

Ripper|mIRC said on Sunday 18 May 2003

I said unique ID not IP. So i\'d rather like to see T-Online providing an IRC proxy, which sets the idents for the users or something like that. Dunno. T-Online can\'t even give static IPs to their users, cause they do not have enough for everyone. Silly

silly^ said on Sunday 18 May 2003

a proxy for connecting to an irc network? i don\'t think that would be a good mechanism.

netzi said on Sunday 18 May 2003

oh , unique id? you mean like a ident? hmmm and therefor the proxy? i think integrating such proxies would be TOO expensive

netzi said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Oh then I\'m wrong a unique ID is a thing to talk about. Despite I\'m not happy being identified by my hostmask but however can\'t help, if they do so, but i have to get into #feds - to get the live server broadcast working again, or tell me a forum where I can look it up.

Ripper|mIRC said on Sunday 18 May 2003

hm i think if it will be discussed here more and more && more getting angry the GLINE of *!*@*.t-dialin.net would come.

netzi said on Sunday 18 May 2003

s/would/will

netzi said on Sunday 18 May 2003

#82, I see you are one the the many people that needs to enable your brain. Allow me to suggest you go ahead and do that before you post again.

stevoo said on Sunday 18 May 2003

#90, i have expected more iq from a IRC Admin. You just cant stand that u did a mistake with banning 25.000 users from the #feds channel. Give me a good reason for that. But only because there was *1* guy pasting some trojan urls?? Explain me, how do i get help from #feds now as being a t-online user?

[FCBD]R2D2 said on Sunday 18 May 2003

#91, what should he do? cause you can\'t ban a single t-online user if he spams or whatever. therefore sign the petition, that t-online will find a solution with qnet together. then the abusers could be punished without affecting innocent users.

silly^ said on Sunday 18 May 2003

#91, can you read or should I make an audiotape of the discussion and send it to you? read what I stated above. and this time, like I said before, please enable your brain. oh, and one more thing: the ban is gone from #feds so you\'re welcome in there and state your questions.

stevoo said on Sunday 18 May 2003

I think it\'s not a problem of T-Online Users in general. It\'s maybe just one AOL user using T-Online user\'s PCs for illegal action!? 1 User has a HackBot he doesn\'t know of running and spreading in the background. Then we have about 24 users connected with a HackBot only one guy controls. Where is the sense of restricting only T-Online users from 5 down to 2 connections? I use only two connections to QuakeNet: 1 is my Chat the other 1 is my Eggdrop... Why don\'t you spread it to ALL Provi

Migga said on Sunday 18 May 2003

The T-Online issue is just a result of letting everyone use the internet (u know stupid people). It just so happens that T-Online (germany) is ahead of the other countries in Europe as far as getting the common man (ie morons) onto the internet. I can forsee this thing happening in the UK/Sweden and other countries. Its just T-Online got there first.

lecter said on Sunday 18 May 2003

As you started to flame against T-Online i could now start to flame against AOL they got 6 millions of morons worldwide connected to the internet :) Or maybe it\'s just that Internet Cafes are connected via T-Online (never been in one) just right now it seems as T-Online is the \"Root of all Evil\" somehow it\'s not fair. (Maybe even forbidden by law?) But as long as using IRC is a priviledge not a right I can\'t do jack about it :(

Migga said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Thank you for being interested in the opinion of normal T-Online customers.

[FCBD]R2D2 said on Sunday 18 May 2003

#97, I am fairly interested in opinions of the normal t-online customers. it\'s just your opinion I don\'t give a fuck about.

stevoo said on Sunday 18 May 2003

WTF?! When I try to open a second connection, quakenet says \"to man connections from your host\"... O.o

EyeDacor said on Sunday 18 May 2003

gah, and *@*.t-dialin.net is banned from #feds and some other \"helpful\" channels... well qnet, that\'s really bad... (like the support at the moment) sry, but that\'s too much oly cos some script kiddies want their dump kind of fun...

EyeDacor said on Sunday 18 May 2003

I don\'t want to weight hereby, but give some informations. ALL schools in Germany are connected with T-Online. Most pupils use QNet for homework. Perhaps T-Online can do something, but they don\'t want to do anything. That\'s a fact! Sorry!

GWw said on Sunday 18 May 2003

T-dialin is still banned in #feds

Ripper|mIRC said on Sunday 18 May 2003

as long as every *@*.t-dialin.net user is banned in #feds pls use the possibility to mail us your questions. (and YES these bans are necessary) BTW most of the questions in #feds can easily be answered with our FAQs. Und an alle die hier meinen das Qnet rassistisch ist, sollten mal überlegen was sie da loslassen. @#101 wer von der Schule aus ins Qnet geht, dem sei www.onlinesucht.de empfohlen, es ist ein IRC für Games nicht für Hausaufgaben

HBboy said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Full ACK with #103. I mean, #101, you use QuakeNet, a gaming network, for what? Copying your homework? Yeah right. :P

JaSt said on Sunday 18 May 2003

PS. WTF I NEED 10 CLOENS 4 FLOOD TEH CLAN WHO PWNZED MA BREAKFAST!!!11 AND 4 TEH 23 BROTHERS!!?!?? LOLOL ^_____________^ Limit all hosts to two connections anyway, I\'d fully support that (and yes, I\'m saying this while planning to move away from t-dialin).

JaSt said on Sunday 18 May 2003

If that what #103 says is right then you could ban *!*@* from #feds and say: \"All questions are answered in the FAQ\" I\'d like to know how many Users have been doing something wrong, if it\'s like Germanys \"Indizierung\" you could say: Users cause Problems, delete Users to solve Problems You can\'t generalize something which is very special to some users. This is my opinion and i just state it. I don\'t belong to this group and i don\'t need more than 2 conns for myself.

Migga said on Sunday 18 May 2003

I know families with 3 brothers or 2 brothers and one sister who like to chat @ QuakeNet. ^^

FrEaKyHuRrIcAnE said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Now how does this look: If a family with more than two human beings living together wants to go online in IRC they have to buy/rent a bouncer. Any (that\'s the point I hate) other provider is allowed to do more than two connections.

Migga said on Sunday 18 May 2003

lol... it\'s a nice discussion here, bu i don\'t understand the problem. I think also that 2 connection are enough. but people who want spamm or want to have 100 Clones will find ways to connect them.. it everytime a way you must online find them .. the limit of conections is a good idea but it will not stop the people whic do this all proffesinal .. sry my bad englisch

ralle030583 said on Sunday 18 May 2003

Hooooorrrraaaayyy Can anyone near HBboy pat him on the shoulder? He is the first op within this conversation who seems to know how to seperate personal feelings from business and who isn\'t attacking other simple users. Therefor I Suggest him for the award of \"OP of the month\". #62 should be deleted cause: Dont be rude and Speak english since this is a multilanguage network. (Two rules broken so delete it)otherwise sombody might come and say germans get deleted and finish not bla racism ...

DesasterX said on Monday 19 May 2003

For the record: It\'s not possible to limit all hosts to 2 connections at the moment without limiting trusted hosts too.

Crillo said on Monday 19 May 2003

lou: you\'re right restrict all or nothing so his rule is something everyone should be abel to live with, so apply this rule to everyone. just plain and simple. #31 why should it bee imposible to limit all users down to 2 conns? You\'re able to limit all to five and you\'re abel to limit a special group to two conns so why is it so hard to limit all to two? ah and the abuse: Telekom cant cancal an account for abuse in sth like Qnet because of the former monopoly. no laws against flooding so no k

DesasterX said on Monday 19 May 2003

thats it =) coole sache =)

[-Pinky^afk-] said on Monday 19 May 2003

nice quakenet ... that the most stupid action i ever seen... \"but this was the only alternative to a global t-dialin ban\" Oh t-online is just the biggest provider in Germany ;) I have 4 PC`s here in my network (i am software engineer) and only 2 comes into quakenet... yes thats it ... me and my wife ... but my children.. uhweee ... hey just think a little bit more in the future ;)

Phedaikin said on Monday 19 May 2003

what a great stuff ... we are four Users working always on one LINE ... and all using quakenet ... and now ? what shall we do now ? i coulnd´t change my provider because Quakenet make some funny things with T-online ... in other countrys hacking is legal and no one could do anything again ... what do they to then ? BAN the COUNTRYS !

MagicBook said on Monday 19 May 2003

Thanx for Quakenets accommodation :)

Toman said on Monday 19 May 2003

This sucks bad!!! You are being racists!! I\'ve got five brothers and eight cousins who use this same connection!! This ist ridiculous!!111 And lou: you suck, even tho you are just HU-MAN. (I hope I logged in with my fake account...)

Shadow said on Monday 19 May 2003

Oops, I didn\'t.. oh well.. INCREASE DA PEACE!

Shadow said on Monday 19 May 2003

thanks a lot guys!!

Lufi said on Monday 19 May 2003

i think 2 is fine .. good work qnet

|Stinger| said on Monday 19 May 2003

You suprise me. I thought that there were just two possiblities, but nice anyway! _Big_thanx_to_stuff_for_make_up_your_mind_! Eh stevoo, I guess you are right, ban all users from a certain ISP isnt racism, its fascism - even if you dont like the word. Eh HBboy plz .. Speak english since this is a multilanguage network.

[hsq]AnObI said on Monday 19 May 2003

Qauthbot is XP-Irc@pD953EF5F.dip.t-dialin.net * hiu nuff said

R4nger said on Monday 19 May 2003

TBH, everyone is being so childish. *!*@*.t-dialin.net users should be happy they got 2 connections.

BrkS said on Monday 19 May 2003

Hi ! I\'m a t-dialin user and think this: Thanks to the lame t-dialin users wo made shit on quakenet *hmpf* >:-( !!!

^Fe|ix said on Monday 19 May 2003

Well. I still have the possibility to build five connections. This is only useless...

[[][]] said on Monday 19 May 2003

IMO Thats the greatest shit you\'ve ever done, sry, but thats the truth. I have T-Offline, and i can\'t do anything about it. And what can i do about people, who do sh** all the day on Quakenet? (sry 4 my broken English ^^)

Kampforca said on Monday 19 May 2003

My opinion about this limitation is best explained with a pice of musik: A moment of glory, called evolution Could I fly away like a bird in the sky No limitation, a new inspiration A world that is free just as free as my mind Communication, a new destination Planet of visions is calling tonight

uK`Rand00m said on Monday 19 May 2003

Didn\'t you have Mathematic at school ? About 75% of the qnet users are german. and t-online is the biggest isp in germany (perhaps even in europe). So its absolute logic, that the most spammers/kiddies/.../ etc have a t-dial host .. And AOL Users are too stupid to spam or hack

[Sokt]Morpheus said on Monday 19 May 2003

About 30% are germans (*.t-dialin + *.de).

Crillo said on Monday 19 May 2003

o/~ there\'s always *.arcor-ip.net and lots of others o/~ - but I\'d agree 75% doesn\'t quite fit it.

JaSt said on Monday 19 May 2003

this was a stupid change! all other users without t-dialin have many clones and nobody interest this. only the german users are f***** again. slowly the qnet sucks. so stop the changes an let the qnet as it is !!!

KE-MaSteR said on Monday 19 May 2003

#121, that might be the case, but please keep in mind that quakenet is NOT a democracy. i\'d rather be a fascist than a rascist. that\'s fine with me. suck it up!

stevoo said on Monday 19 May 2003

#117 Thanks Shadow! This proofed just how grown up you are and how great you are at communication skills. I\'d say you perfectly qualified for an t-dailin account.

DesasterX said on Monday 19 May 2003

Well: support is crap (ban from #feds etc) and your \"better\" sollution is f***ed up too! (only one connection works!!) well, why don\'t do that with all users? hm? why? cos they fucked the ops or what? sry, i am annoyed from this damn script kiddies too, but that\'s too much!!! changing IRC network now... (shouldn\'t interest you) one oBSD user less...

EyeDacor said on Monday 19 May 2003

[TSF]ComeBacK said on Monday 19 May 2003

what about a global/perm. *!*@*.de / *!*@*.t-dialin.net for 24/48h or so at first?

]MoD[FREAK| said on Monday 19 May 2003

How about you STFU #146 ????

rats|Betschman said on Monday 19 May 2003

#146? looking into the crystal ball now are we?

morfee said on Tuesday 20 May 2003

#134 You said: \"well, why don\'t do that with all users? hm? why? cos they fucked the ops or what?\" Please read comment #31 or #111 before you whine ;) I would say they told you the reason quite clear. And about the \"bad support\" in #feds, think about it, if t-online users would not be banned from #feds, most of you whiners would go spamming \"I\'M LEAVING QUAKENET NOW\" in there... And that\'s not the right purpose of #feds I think... Anyway, read the FAQ\'s and chill out people ;) -Tristam

cLAN|Tristam said on Tuesday 20 May 2003

... t. And fix the counter ;)

cLAN|Tristam said on Tuesday 20 May 2003

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Jack-Ryan said on Tuesday 20 May 2003

Hm, I don\'t see the problem. In fact 2 connections per User are just enough. Furthermore it is ridiculous to blame Quakenet for a mistake with is made by some g33k kiddie users. So if the clone attacks stop, the restriction will probably disappear.

MrDevil said on Tuesday 20 May 2003

#141, Speak english since this is a multilanguage network.

cLAN|Tristam said on Tuesday 20 May 2003

dictionary.com says: Children gibs everywhere and at the ISP to fasten is probably more than aermlich. And who clicks on URL\'s without to be thought is to debt. Fair waer\'s been, if all this would concern. Keyword Bouncer. Like that it is simply only ridiculous the whole.

Jack-Ryan said on Tuesday 20 May 2003

#142 no. the restriction wil not be let off, if anything it\'s the other way round, if the attacks continue, the the restricition will be removed as they will see that their limit isnt working.. if the attacks stop now tho, they will keep the restriction on so that the attacks dont happen again.to sum it up, the restriction will remain if there are no more attacks as it will prove to the oppers that their 2 ident limit on t-dialin is working, and if the attacks continue, a global ban on t-diali

morfee said on Tuesday 20 May 2003

That last post was 500 characters exactly, fear my efficiency... :)

morfee said on Tuesday 20 May 2003

1. #137 was right :D 2. What kind of attacks have been done? Oper Password hack attempts? (Thats the only thing that would make any sense to me) I think those hacks are not really dangerous, as long as you don\'t use one password for everywhere ;) And, of course, you can still change \'em by console :)

Migga said on Tuesday 20 May 2003

#147 I don\'t think oper password hack attempts would do much, as I reckon they set userhosts for the o:lines. I think it\'s more in the way of flooding/cloning etc..

dopeh said on Tuesday 20 May 2003

Is this a permanent solution or are there any other ideas ?

[CYW]^online^ said on Tuesday 20 May 2003

on some servers the I:line for *@*.t-dialin.net doesn\'t work or isn\'t activ

Sephiroth said on Tuesday 20 May 2003

The worst thing, is this whole discussion. Some people in here, seem to be exactly the ones, who set up clones, spam and trie to hack. People who are not affected by the t-dialin ban. They abuse this discussion only to flame against t-dialin users. This makes this whole thing to a senseless fight. And @ Quakent opers you can\'t just ban 30% of your users. The only solution is to limit all connections to 2, not only t-dialins. After that, I want to see the comments of these flame kids....

Ripper|mIRC said on Tuesday 20 May 2003

#133: Actually, if you didn\'t understand my sarcasm, I was just demonstrating what would happen if the normal limit was like 10 per user and then we decreased the limit to 5. This is nearly same thing here. Users are NEVER happy with those settings. Some users would need more than 15 letters in nicks and some other users needs longer topics. The difference is that WE decide the limits, NOT users. And what it comes to lou, he really sucks.. even more than stevoo in the front sear of my car...